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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yes. That was why we wanted them to be licensed and wanted the
MINIMUM criteria to be a FLORIDA licensed residential inspector under F.S. 468
or a Division 1 contractor under F.S. 489 WITH the ICC one and two family
dwelling inspector certificate. These were to be MINIMUMS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But, the power of the lobbyist prevailed. Now we have
“association” certified members – almost all of them unable to qualify with any
of the above.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>R.J.Koning - Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Contractors Institute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:rjkoning@contractorsinstitute.com">rjkoning@contractorsinstitute.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>8301 Joliet Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hudson, Fl 34667<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>727-863-5147<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bill LeMaster
[mailto:blemaster@co.okaloosa.fl.us] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bill LeMaster; Bob Koning; 'Ken Rodgers';
'codetalk@myfloridacode.com'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Building Officials Association of Florida, Inc.'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold
RelatedServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In My past experience I have found that a lot of these “Property
Analysts” are not licensed building inspectors. Can they legally write up code
violations if they are not licensed building inspectors. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>William T. LeMaster CBO/CEAP/MCP</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Okaloosa County</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bill LeMaster <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Bob Koning'; Ken Rodgers; codetalk@myfloridacode.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Building Officials Association of Florida, Inc.'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related
ServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Personally I don’t agree with the “Home Inspector” title.
Perhaps “Real Estate Property Analyst” would be more appropriate. Also I feel
that rather than writing up “code violations” that it would be more
appropriate to write up observations. IMHO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>William T. LeMaster CBO/CEAP/MCP</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Okaloosa County</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com [mailto:codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Bob Koning<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ken Rodgers; codetalk@myfloridacode.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related
ServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ken, No, I (personally) am not necessarily opposed to any
requirement for additional training to have the licenses, but as it stands, you
will not be able to obtain licensure unless you have done 120 “certified” home
inspection reports in the last two years or written and performed 40
“certified” mold remediations. That level is unacceptable as baseline
qualifications for a Division 1 contractor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Also, consider this; I have had as many “numbskulls” that are
not licensed contractors (they hold the “industry certifications that will
automatically provide licensure to them under this new law) completely foul up
investigations, remediations, and reports that have caused irreparable harm to
hundreds of citizens. One recent industry certified home inspector report
contained a list of 32 code violations – most all proved to be incorrect or
just plain wrong in the trial – all were harmed but him. His answer; “well that
is what I learned in my home-inspector training as “standards” and if they are
not code - they should be”. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>No law will eliminate the idiots, let’s not punish the entire
class for the actions of one or two.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>R.J.Koning - Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Contractors Institute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:rjkoning@contractorsinstitute.com">rjkoning@contractorsinstitute.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>8301 Joliet Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hudson, Fl 34667<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>727-863-5147<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com [mailto:codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ken Rodgers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 03, 2010 5:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> codetalk@myfloridacode.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related
ServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ok, I’m going to go out (way out) on a limb and somewhat agree
with Eric. Bob, I understand your qualifications based on years of
experience but what about a brand spankin’ new contractor who really doesn’t
have any experience or knowledge in this area. I don’t remember this
subject being addressed on any of my tests or test prep or in any of the many
books I had to study. I for one would not feel comfortable presenting
myself as a mold expert or even as a home inspector even though I do have a
pretty good working knowledge of most every part of a home. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ll be honest with you. I’ve come across numerous
contractors who were either grandfathered in or got their license back when
they weren’t ask strict on the verifiable work experience. I would
testify in a court of law that several of these guys wouldn’t know which end of
a hammer to use and certainly do not know much if anything about the trades
they are supposedly contracting and supervising to construct a house. I
have been just totally baffled as to how these guys got a license to begin with
and how they actually are able to build a structure…they pretty much rely
completely on their subs to do what they’re supposed to do…and if they don’t
(which I’ve seen happen) then they are none the wiser.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So, I’m sure I’m missing something here and would appreciate
some further explanation of this issue. Are we really saying that just
because one is a licensed contractor that they should not have to demonstrate
(through a test) the knowledge needed to properly do the job. If this
info is covered in the GC testing then I can fully understand not needing the
separate testing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Am I completely missing the point here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com [mailto:codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Eric Kuritzky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 03, 2010 3:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> codetalk@myfloridacode.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related
Services Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Times","serif"'>Interesting concept. <br>
<br>
Lacking specific training, education, testing and licensure in mold/mildew
growth, elimination and remediation, but being a licensed building contractors,
seems to imply an expertise in this particular field. As if being
grandfathered in is a right of expectation. I wonder how many of the
liability policies of all these contractors specifically exclude mold/mildew
claims. Hmmmm.<br>
<br>
Where as the requirement for training, education and licensure as an architect,
in the development of single-family and duplex residential construction, is not
required, and simply by being a good designer or draftsman seems to be acceptable.<br>
<br>
Hmmmm. Oddly hypocritical if you ask me. <br>
<br>
A distinct belief that contractors should be allowed to make a living in a
field they are not necessarily trained or licensed for, but architects should
be denied that same opportunity for one in which they ARE trained AND licensed
for. <br>
<br>
Let me see, one more thing...a residential designer has little to lose, except
reputation and, according to many, a rather limited income per set of plans, I
suppose, while an architect has a license to lose and can be fined by the State
for doing substandard work.<br>
<br>
And it’s being suggested that I support a change to the proposed legislation
that will obviously enhance the protection of the public.<br>
<br>
Yes, yes, quite interesting.<br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><img border=0
width=483 height=410 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CAEB80.E9D25F60"></span><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Times","serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:"Times","serif"'>Bob Koning <Bob@ContractorsInstitute.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Mon, 3 May 2010 16:14:52 -0400<br>
<b>To: </b><codetalk@myfloridacode.com><br>
<b>Conversation: </b>Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop -
ACT AGAIN NOW!<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related Services
Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!<br>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>Group, It is
sink or swim time now! The state of Florida has begun the rulemaking process
for home inspectors and mold related services. The first meeting is this Wednesday,
</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>May 5, 2010
at 1940 North Monroe Street in Tallahassee Florida. I will be there screaming
for our rights! Although w</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Times","serif"'>e have won the battle to maintain our rights to perform
combined services as we have in the past; we must now however fight for the
right to be grandfathered in as state licensed General, Building, or
Residential contractors.<br>
<br>
Unless the current rule, that is under development, is amended to include the
language below, most of us (indeed almost all of us) will be prohibited from gaining
licensure. These rules have been carefully crafted by industry associations
that wish to restrict contractors who have been dutifully performing these
services and limit the work to members meeting their criteria and their own
testing standards. I believe as a state certified contractor having proven
8,000 hours in the field and having passed an 18 hour proctored examination
over a two-day period, and receiving continuing education and training as my
license survives each renewal period, I am more than qualified for automatic
licensure if I so choose to complete the form and pay the requisite fees.<br>
<br>
You MUST, MUST, MUST, raise your voice NOW, TODAY, and if necessary attend the
Construction Industry Licensing Board meeting which will be held May 14 at 8:30
in the morning at the Doubletree Hotel in Tampa (near the airport) if we are
not successful this Wednesday. I will update you on Friday.<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><br>
All the information to send is below my signature<br>
<br>
R.J.Koning - Director<br>
Contractors Institute<br>
rjkoning@contractorsinstitute.com <a
href="mailto:rjkoning@contractorsinstitute.com"><mailto:rjkoning@contractorsinstitute.com></a>
<br>
8301 Joliet Street<br>
Hudson, Fl 34667<br>
727-863-5147<br>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'><br>
Please e-mail the following people with the language below pasted in as your
message:<br>
+++<br>
Send to all three:<br>
Gw.harrell@dbpr.state.fl.us <a href="mailto:Gw.harrell@dbpr.state.fl.us"><mailto:Gw.harrell@dbpr.state.fl.us></a>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>Richard.morrison@dbpr.state.fl.us
<a href="mailto:Richard.morrison@dbpr.state.fl.us"><mailto:Richard.morrison@dbpr.state.fl.us></a>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"'>Call.center@dbpr.state.fl.us
<a href="mailto:Call.center@dbpr.state.fl.us"><mailto:Call.center@dbpr.state.fl.us></a>
<br>
<br>
In the subject line put:<br>
“Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop”<br>
<br>
In the message box, please cut and paste the message below:<br>
<br>
Dear Sirs; Please forward this e-mail to all members of the Construction
Industry Licensing Board and anyone else involved in the rulemaking process for
the new Home Inspector and Mold Related Services. We wish the Florida Administrative
Rule to be altered as follows. Mr. Robert Koning will be in attendance at the
workshop for further explanation of these few vitally important revisions.<br>
<br>
To the Proposed Florida Administrative Rule for Home Inspectors:<br>
<br>
To 61-30.101 Add the following paragraphs:<br>
<u>(e) or complied with the licensing provisions for a certified or registered
Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have
obtained 14 - 50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific
home inspection services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing Board.<br>
</u>(f) <u>or complied with the licensing provisions for a licensed Residential
Inspector pursuant to the requirements of the International Code Council (ICC)
National Certification Program provided they have obtained 14 - 50 minute
continuing education hours related to Florida specific home inspection services
approved by the Construction Industry Licensing Board.<br>
<br>
</u>Change 61-30.102 Examination:<br>
Any applicant desiring to be licensed as a home inspector in this state as
provided in Chapter 468 Part XV, Florida Statutes, will be required to pass the
National Home Inspector Examination (NHIE) given by the Examination Board of
Professional Home Inspectors (EBPHI), <u>or be a certified or registered
Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 or hold a Residential
Inspector License pursuant to the requirements of the International Code
Council (ICC) National Certification Program or be Certified by the training,
testing and certification requirements of Association of Construction Industry
Certified Professionals (acicp.org) as a Certified Home and Property Inspector
(CI-HPI)</u>. Applicants <u>seeking licensure through National Home Inspector
Examination</u> must achieve a passing grade pursuant to the requirements of
the NHIE, Section 455.217 and 468.8313(4), Florida Statutes.<br>
<i>Rulemaking Authority 455.217(1)(d), 468.8313(4),(6), FS. Law Implemented
455.217, 468.8313, FS. History-New (date)<br>
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</i>To the Proposed Florida Administrative Rule for Mold Related Services:<br>
<br>
To 61-31.101 Add the following paragraph:<br>
(i) <u>or complied with the licensing provisions for a certified or registered
Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have
obtained 14 - 50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific
mold remediation services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing
Board.<br>
<br>
</u>Add to 61-31.102 Examination the following paragraphs:<br>
<u>(3) The department approves the Association of Construction Industry
Certified Professionals (acicp.org) training, testing and certification program
as a CI-Certified Building Contaminant Technician (CI-BCT) or a CI-Certified
Building Contaminant Assessor (CI-BCA)<br>
(4) The department approves all certified or registered Division I contractors
pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have obtained 24 - 50 minute
continuing education hours related to Florida specific mold remediation and
assessment services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing Board.<br>
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