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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Well , I , for one will be glad to
know what the outcome of all this will be...Please Please keep us
informed......The reason for my concern is that here in CHOBEE there is a KID ,
( younger than me ) that delivers pizzas and is bragging that he is going to be
a Home Inspector ..... Believe me when I say this kid doesn't even know what a
nail is !!!!!!! or what to use the nail for...Someone like this having the
ability to do home inspections is a FRIGHTENING THOUGHT INDEED..... I feel one
of my 3 LABS would be a better home inspector that this kid........THANKS FOR
KEEPING US IN THE LOOP , BOB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Diva</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Bob@ContractorsInstitute.com
href="mailto:Bob@ContractorsInstitute.com">Bob Koning</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Ken@artisanbilt.com
href="mailto:Ken@artisanbilt.com">Ken Rodgers</A> ; <A
title=codetalk@myfloridacode.com
href="mailto:codetalk@myfloridacode.com">codetalk@myfloridacode.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:01
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Florida Code Talk] Home
Inspector and Mold RelatedServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Ken,
No, I (personally) am not necessarily opposed to any requirement for
additional training to have the licenses, but as it stands, you will not be
able to obtain licensure unless you have done 120 “certified” home inspection
reports in the last two years or written and performed 40 “certified”
mold remediations. That level is unacceptable as baseline qualifications for a
Division 1 contractor.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Also,
consider this; I have had as many “numbskulls” that are not licensed
contractors (they hold the “industry certifications that will automatically
provide licensure to them under this new law) completely foul up
investigations, remediations, and reports that have caused irreparable harm to
hundreds of citizens. One recent industry certified home inspector report
contained a list of 32 code violations – most all proved to be incorrect or
just plain wrong in the trial – all were harmed but him. His answer; “well
that is what I learned in my home-inspector training as “standards” and if
they are not code - they should be”. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">No
law will eliminate the idiots, let’s not punish the entire class for the
actions of one or two.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">R.J.Koning
- Director<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Institute<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">8301
Joliet Street<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hudson,
Fl 34667<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">727-863-5147<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com [mailto:codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken Rodgers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 03, 2010 5:56
PM<BR><B>To:</B> codetalk@myfloridacode.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Florida
Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related ServicesRule Workshop - ACT AGAIN
NOW!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Ok,
I’m going to go out (way out) on a limb and somewhat agree with Eric.
Bob, I understand your qualifications based on years of experience but what
about a brand spankin’ new contractor who really doesn’t have any experience
or knowledge in this area. I don’t remember this subject being addressed
on any of my tests or test prep or in any of the many books I had to
study. I for one would not feel comfortable presenting myself as a mold
expert or even as a home inspector even though I do have a pretty good working
knowledge of most every part of a home. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I’ll
be honest with you. I’ve come across numerous contractors who were
either grandfathered in or got their license back when they weren’t ask strict
on the verifiable work experience. I would testify in a court of law
that several of these guys wouldn’t know which end of a hammer to use and
certainly do not know much if anything about the trades they are supposedly
contracting and supervising to construct a house. I have been just
totally baffled as to how these guys got a license to begin with and how they
actually are able to build a structure…they pretty much rely completely on
their subs to do what they’re supposed to do…and if they don’t (which I’ve
seen happen) then they are none the wiser.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So,
I’m sure I’m missing something here and would appreciate some further
explanation of this issue. Are we really saying that just because one is
a licensed contractor that they should not have to demonstrate (through a
test) the knowledge needed to properly do the job. If this info is
covered in the GC testing then I can fully understand not needing the separate
testing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Am
I completely missing the point here?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Ken<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com [mailto:codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Eric Kuritzky<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 03, 2010 3:39
PM<BR><B>To:</B> codetalk@myfloridacode.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Florida
Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN
NOW!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'">Interesting concept.
<BR><BR>Lacking specific training, education, testing and licensure in
mold/mildew growth, elimination and remediation, but being a licensed building
contractors, seems to imply an expertise in this particular field. As if
being grandfathered in is a right of expectation. I wonder how many of
the liability policies of all these contractors specifically exclude
mold/mildew claims. Hmmmm.<BR><BR>Where as the requirement for training,
education and licensure as an architect, in the development of single-family
and duplex residential construction, is not required, and simply by being a
good designer or draftsman seems to be acceptable.<BR><BR>Hmmmm. Oddly
hypocritical if you ask me. <BR><BR>A distinct belief that contractors
should be allowed to make a living in a field they are not necessarily trained
or licensed for, but architects should be denied that same opportunity for one
in which they ARE trained AND licensed for. <BR><BR>Let me see, one more
thing...a residential designer has little to lose, except reputation and,
according to many, a rather limited income per set of plans, I suppose, while
an architect has a license to lose and can be fined by the State for doing
substandard work.<BR><BR>And it’s being suggested that I support a change to
the proposed legislation that will obviously enhance the protection of the
public.<BR><BR>Yes, yes, quite interesting.<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'">From: </SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'">Bob Koning
<Bob@ContractorsInstitute.com><BR><B>Date: </B>Mon, 3 May 2010 16:14:52
-0400<BR><B>To: </B><codetalk@myfloridacode.com><BR><B>Conversation:
</B>Home Inspector and Mold Related Services Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN
NOW!<BR><B>Subject: </B>[Florida Code Talk] Home Inspector and Mold Related
Services Rule Workshop - ACT AGAIN NOW!<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'">Group, It is sink or
swim time now! The state of Florida has begun the rulemaking process for home
inspectors and mold related services. The first meeting is this Wednesday,
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'">May 5,
2010 at 1940 North Monroe Street in Tallahassee Florida. I will be there
screaming for our rights! Although w</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'">e have won the battle to
maintain our rights to perform combined services as we have in the past; we
must now however fight for the right to be grandfathered in as state licensed
General, Building, or Residential contractors.<BR> <BR>Unless the current
rule, that is under development, is amended to include the language below,
most of us (indeed almost all of us) will be prohibited from gaining
licensure. These rules have been carefully crafted by industry associations
that wish to restrict contractors who have been dutifully performing these
services and limit the work to members meeting their criteria and their own
testing standards. I believe as a state certified contractor having proven
8,000 hours in the field and having passed an 18 hour proctored examination
over a two-day period, and receiving continuing education and training as my
license survives each renewal period, I am more than qualified for automatic
licensure if I so choose to complete the form and pay the requisite
fees.<BR> <BR>You MUST, MUST, MUST, raise your voice NOW, TODAY, and if
necessary attend the Construction Industry Licensing Board meeting which will
be held May 14 at 8:30 in the morning at the Doubletree Hotel in Tampa (near
the airport) if we are not successful this Wednesday. I will update you on
Friday.<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'"><BR>All the
information to send is below my signature<BR> <BR>R.J.Koning -
Director<BR>Contractors Institute<BR>rjkoning@contractorsinstitute.com <A
href="mailto:rjkoning@contractorsinstitute.com"><mailto:rjkoning@contractorsinstitute.com></A>
<BR>8301 Joliet Street<BR>Hudson, Fl
34667<BR>727-863-5147<BR> <BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'"><BR>Please e-mail the
following people with the language below pasted in as your
message:<BR>+++<BR>Send to all three:<BR>Gw.harrell@dbpr.state.fl.us <A
href="mailto:Gw.harrell@dbpr.state.fl.us"><mailto:Gw.harrell@dbpr.state.fl.us></A>
<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'">Richard.morrison@dbpr.state.fl.us
<A
href="mailto:Richard.morrison@dbpr.state.fl.us"><mailto:Richard.morrison@dbpr.state.fl.us></A>
<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times','serif'">Call.center@dbpr.state.fl.us
<A
href="mailto:Call.center@dbpr.state.fl.us"><mailto:Call.center@dbpr.state.fl.us></A>
<BR> <BR>In the subject line put:<BR>“Home Inspector and Mold Related
Services Rule Workshop”<BR> <BR>In the message box, please cut and paste
the message below:<BR> <BR>Dear Sirs; Please forward this e-mail to all
members of the Construction Industry Licensing Board and anyone else involved
in the rulemaking process for the new Home Inspector and Mold Related
Services. We wish the Florida Administrative Rule to be altered as follows.
Mr. Robert Koning will be in attendance at the workshop for further
explanation of these few vitally important revisions.<BR> <BR>To the
Proposed Florida Administrative Rule for Home Inspectors:<BR> <BR>To
61-30.101 Add the following paragraphs:<BR><U>(e) or complied with the
licensing provisions for a certified or registered Division I contractor
pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have obtained 14 - 50 minute
continuing education hours related to Florida specific home inspection
services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing Board.<BR></U>(f)
<U>or complied with the licensing provisions for a licensed Residential
Inspector pursuant to the requirements of the International Code Council (ICC)
National Certification Program provided they have obtained 14 - 50 minute
continuing education hours related to Florida specific home inspection
services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing
Board.<BR> <BR></U>Change 61-30.102 Examination:<BR>Any applicant
desiring to be licensed as a home inspector in this state as provided in
Chapter 468 Part XV, Florida Statutes, will be required to pass the National
Home Inspector Examination (NHIE) given by the Examination Board of
Professional Home Inspectors (EBPHI), <U>or be a certified or registered
Division I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 or hold a Residential
Inspector License pursuant to the requirements of the International Code
Council (ICC) National Certification Program or be Certified by the training,
testing and certification requirements of Association of Construction Industry
Certified Professionals (acicp.org) as a Certified Home and Property Inspector
(CI-HPI)</U>. Applicants <U>seeking licensure through National Home Inspector
Examination</U> must achieve a passing grade pursuant to the requirements of
the NHIE, Section 455.217 and 468.8313(4), Florida Statutes.<BR><I>Rulemaking
Authority 455.217(1)(d), 468.8313(4),(6), FS. Law Implemented 455.217,
468.8313, FS. History-New (date)<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></I>To the
Proposed Florida Administrative Rule for Mold Related
Services:<BR> <BR>To 61-31.101 Add the following paragraph:<BR>(i) <U>or
complied with the licensing provisions for a certified or registered Division
I contractor pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have obtained 14 -
50 minute continuing education hours related to Florida specific mold
remediation services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing
Board.<BR> <BR></U>Add to 61-31.102 Examination the following
paragraphs:<BR><U>(3) The department approves the Association of Construction
Industry Certified Professionals (acicp.org) training, testing and
certification program as a CI-Certified Building Contaminant Technician
(CI-BCT) or a CI-Certified Building Contaminant Assessor (CI-BCA)<BR>(4) The
department approves all certified or registered Division I contractors
pursuant to Florida statute 489 provided they have obtained 24 - 50 minute
continuing education hours related to Florida specific mold remediation and
assessment services approved by the Construction Industry Licensing
Board.<BR></U></SPAN><SPAN
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