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<DIV>What builder is making 15-20% and yes Architects do commonly
make 10% of the value of a home , so there is good reason to run the cost
up designing with unnecessary features, they assume very little liability with
the" Contractor to verify all dimensions in the field" </DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/14/2010 7:08:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
codetalk-request@myfloridacode.com writes:</DIV>
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1<BR>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:06:42 -0500<BR>From: "Ken Rodgers"
<Ken@artisanbilt.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] To all my
professional associates<BR>To: "'Eric Kuritzky'"
<kuritzky@bellsouth.net>, "'Building Officials<BR>
Association of Florida, Inc.'" <boafdiscussion@boaf.net>,<BR>
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<000901cadc27$264baf50$72e30df0$@com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>I have a wonderful suggestion.why don't we try to
answer the man's original<BR>question instead of using it as an excuse to
unzip our pants?? I don't<BR>disagree with most of the points mentioned
from either side but think they<BR>could be presented in a more professional
manner and then only after<BR>addressing the original question. Whether
you agree with it or not he is<BR>still operating within the code isn't
he?<BR><BR><BR><BR>Just my humble suggestion to keep this as a forum and not a
chopping block.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Ken<BR><BR>Residential
Contractor<BR><BR><BR><BR>From:
codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com<BR>[mailto:codetalk-bounces@myfloridacode.com]
On Behalf Of Eric Kuritzky<BR>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:52 PM<BR>To:
Building Officials Association of Florida,
Inc.;<BR>codetalk@myfloridacode.com<BR>Subject: [Florida Code Talk] To all my
professional associates<BR><BR><BR><BR>Soap box time....<BR><BR>I am amazed at
how, when I suggest architects and engineers should be a<BR>required part of
the residential design and document process, fully knowing<BR>the exceptions
in codes and statutes, how bizarrely defensive everyone gets,<BR>as if the
only thing I'm trying to push is some income source for architects<BR>or
engineers, or that I'm trying to put residential designer out
of<BR>business. I work with some excellent residential designers.
So many<BR>participants out there seem to think that Hurricane Andrew, which
set in<BR>motion the most radical code changes in the country, meant oh so
little to<BR>residential construction, as if I'm totally
ignorant.<BR><BR>Please. <BR><BR>The residential exemption is purely
political.<BR><BR>And this repeated mantra that architects are ignorant of the
codes, which<BR>justifies their exclusion from residential construction.
No one ever<BR>suggests the less than qualified contractors or municipal
representatives<BR>that are equally represented in the ranks of the
'less than knowledgeable'<BR>construction
professionals.<BR><BR>Please. <BR><BR>No branch of this industry is
without it's weak links.<BR><BR>But those of us who are tested, educated and
licensed know that there is a<BR>regulatory board or two, a national licensing
and code agency or three,<BR>that we ultimately must answer to, besides our
own conscience. Our ability<BR>to practice what we do is subject to
scrutiny, and can readily be taken<BR>away.<BR><BR>If I might be a bit of a
smart ass for moment....(really, just this<BR>once?)......architects and
engineers don't make the 15%-20% that many<BR>builders make on homes (yes,
when the economy is ticking away as it used<BR>to...no one is making squat
right now, including architects, so I don't want<BR>to hear about it.
Homeowners all too often try to build their own home to<BR>avoid that 15%-20%
markup. Stupid as they are.). On the best, biggest<BR>custom
homes, they might make 10%. And they assume remarkable liability,
as<BR>we all are.<BR><BR>At what point does adding a layer of protection for a
few thousand dollars<BR>not make sense in the construction of the biggest
investment anyone<BR>makes....their HOME.<BR><BR>Should all those other little
code requirements, which all cost something,<BR>be routinely excluded from
homes? Better windows, doors? Wind resistant<BR>exteriors? Smoke
detectors? Arc fault or GFI? Egress windows in bedrooms?<BR><BR>History
has shown that the industry has not collapsed from the ever<BR>increasing
costs placed on construction from ever more demanding codes. No<BR>one
stops buying homes. No one stops putting 60 inch plasma TV's and
Ford<BR>350 dually's in their garage, or bass boats, or jet skis, or anything
else.<BR>Yet everyone yells about the sky falling.<BR><BR>But our
responsibility is the security and safety of that home and it's<BR>contents,
whatever it might be.<BR><BR>And if architects and engineers are so ignorant
of the codes, why not<BR>eliminate them from all construction, and let those
wonderful commercial<BR>contractors design hospitals, hotels, city halls,
commercial buildings, etc?<BR>Why? Because we actually do know what
we're doing more than we get credit<BR>for.<BR><BR>But we are no more perfect
than everyone else. There are miscreants on all<BR>professions, even
architects and engineers. I have seen too many
building<BR>departments approve plan stamping by engineers of the most
offensive sets of<BR>plans. I'm reviewing a suit now on a multi-story condo
project, the plan<BR>approval of which should not have happened. But we are
the first, and<BR>usually the last line of defense. Once the building
department signs the<BR>CO, and the contractor's company folds, it's usually
the architects and<BR>engineers left standing to face the problems.<BR><BR>But
I digress, as usual.<BR><BR>Those that know me should appreciate that my
interest is in the public and<BR>the quality of my own profession. I
prepare better than average plans, I<BR>consult with building departments, I
respect and work with contractors, and<BR>my obligation as a member of the
Board of Architecture has required me to<BR>punish far too many of my own
profession to not comprehend all that is<BR>really associated with what we
do.<BR><BR>So why should homes be excluded? Really, why?
<BR><BR>And $$$$ is not the answer.<BR><BR>Thank you for your indulgence. I'll
go back to being quiet....for a while.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--------------
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