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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Ken@artisanbilt.com href="mailto:Ken@artisanbilt.com">Ken Rodgers</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=chandlerknowles@att.net
href="mailto:chandlerknowles@att.net">'Chandler Knowles'</A> ; <A
title=codetalk@myfloridacode.com
href="mailto:codetalk@myfloridacode.com">'CodeTalk'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 01, 2010 7:46
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Florida Code Talk]
Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d">Chandler,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"> I really like those
signs…do you mind if I use them? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">I am in the process of putting
together my company standards for each sub’s area but it’s just been hard to
find the time to get them completed. I completely agree with everyone
that this is really the best way to get the quality I
need/want.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Chandler Knowles
[mailto:chandlerknowles@att.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 01, 2010
6:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B> CodeTalk; Ken Rodgers<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Florida
Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">You can control
your job and your subcontractors through properly drawn plans and specs.
Building codes are normally for matters of life safety, not quality.
Your plans should state the standards you want subs to perform to whether
industry association recommendations, ASTMs or UL assembly numbers. The
contract you give a sub to sign should reinforce the particular standards of
the trade over and above "according to plans and specifications". For
example, get a copy of USGs Gypsum Handbook. It makes a good standard to
reference satisfactory performance to.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I keep two signs in
my office where all subs can and do see them. The first
reads</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"Some people make
the same mistake for years and call it experience." The second
reads</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"Notice to
subcontractors: payment will be rendered with the same degree of
accuracy and timeliness with which the product or service was
provided'"</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Chandler
Knowles</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Designer-Builder</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Pensacola,
FL</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=Ken@artisanbilt.com href="mailto:Ken@artisanbilt.com">Ken Rodgers</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=codetalk@myfloridacode.com
href="mailto:codetalk@myfloridacode.com">codetalk@myfloridacode.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Friday, January
01, 2010 2:33 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> [Florida Code
Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Happy New Year All,<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> I was just discussing some issues/concerns with my
drywall sub and in the process I asked if they had ever read or heard of the
guide put out by the Gypsum Association that covers the application and
finishing of sheetrock (gypsum). Of course the answer and look I got
was the same one I always get when I ask this question. “What
book?” “There’s a book that tells you how to do sheetrock work?”
So, I’m wondering why is it that subs like this are not required to read,
understand, and possibly even be tested on the guidelines that cover their
trade before they are “licensed” to perform work in this area? In the
case of drywall, this specifications manual is only 18 pages long so I would
think that most anyone should be able to pass a simple test on it.
Yes, I realize this is only a guide and is really not a “code” per se but it
does have some pretty good guide lines to go by that should help ensure a
good job that will stand the test of time. However, every time I bring
it up to my drywall subs that they get offended and act like I’m being too
anal. I only pull it out when I see them doing things like not using
enough screws in the ceiling or leaving excessive (e.g. ½”) gaps at
joints. The response is always the same; “I’ve been doing drywall for
xx years and I don’t need no book to tell me how to do things” or “don’t
worry about it, the mud will cover it up.” All these may be true but
it’d be nice to see some subs actually take pride in their work and try to
do the best job they can and not just get by. I use sheetrock guys in
this example but it seems to be the same with many of the other subs whose
work doesn’t get an official inspection and who are not required to be
tested and specifically licensed in their field of work. I’m not
looking to increase the bureaucracy but it sure would be nice to figure out
a way to force these other subs to become educated in their field and stay
up with the latest practices. I’m looking for more professionals
instead of just amateur hacks.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I know the above was mostly whining/venting but just
thought I find out others thoughts on the subject.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Ken <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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