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Many counties do require a specialty contractors license for trades such as drywall, tile and painting.
 
If your subcontractors are not properly licensed, hire other subs, if they don't do the job the way you want it done, hire someone else.
 
There is no reason to put up with hackwork, whether they are licensed or not.
 
Bret Walley
CBC059520
CAC1816055

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   1. Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing (Ken Rodgers)
   2. Fw:  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
      (Rob Harvey / L & H Contracting, Inc.)
   3. Re: Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing (Everett)
   4. Re: Fw:  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing (WR290 at aol.com)
   5. Re: Fw:  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing (Ken Rodgers)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:33:50 -0600
From: "Ken Rodgers" <Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
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Happy New Year All,

  I was just discussing some issues/concerns with my drywall sub and in the
process I asked if they had ever read or heard of the guide put out by the
Gypsum Association that covers the application and finishing of sheetrock
(gypsum).  Of course the answer and look I got was the same one I always get
when I ask this question.  ?What book??  ?There?s a book that tells you how
to do sheetrock work??  So, I?m wondering why is it that subs like this are
not required to read, understand, and possibly even be tested on the
guidelines that cover their trade before they are ?licensed? to perform work
in this area?  In the case of drywall, this specifications manual is only 18
pages long so I would think that most anyone should be able to pass a simple
test on it.  Yes, I realize this is only a guide and is really not a ?code?
per se but it does have some pretty good guide lines to go by that should
help ensure a good job that will stand the test of time.  However, every
time I bring it up to my drywall subs that they get offended and act like
I?m being too anal.  I only pull it out when I see them doing things like
not using enough screws in the ceiling or leaving excessive (e.g. ??) gaps
at joints.  The response is always the same; ?I?ve been doing drywall for xx
years and I don?t need no book to tell me how to do things? or ?don?t worry
about it, the mud will cover it up.?  All these may be true but it?d be nice
to see some subs actually take pride in their work and try to do the best
job they can and not just get by.  I use sheetrock guys in this example but
it seems to be the same with many of the other subs whose work doesn?t get
an official inspection and who are not required to be tested and
specifically licensed in their field of work.  I?m not looking to increase
the bureaucracy but it sure would be nice to figure out a way to force these
other subs to become educated in their field and stay up with the latest
practices.  I?m looking for more professionals instead of just amateur
hacks.



I know the above was mostly whining/venting but just thought I find out
others thoughts on the subject.



Ken   



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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:04:53 +0000
From: "Rob Harvey / L & H Contracting, Inc."
    <lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Fw:  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
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Robert Harvey
L & H Contracting, Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax: 1-866-254-3245


-----Original Message-----
From: "Rob Harvey / L & H Contracting, Inc." <lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:59:01 
To: Ken Rodgers<Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

Stop hiring unlicensed subs and you will not have this problem. I do not know what area you are from but all the Tampa Bay area surrounding counties require you to be a  state or county licensed drywall contractor. It is those that continue to hire unlicensed subs that drive my prices down to compete with their substandard workmanship. 


Robert Harvey
L & H Contracting, Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax: 1-866-254-3245


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Rodgers" <Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:33:50 
To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:22:18 -0500
From: "Everett" <6075 at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
To: "Ken Rodgers" <Ken at artisanbilt.com>, <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
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It's cut, lift, screw, tape, mud.  Not much else to it.  Yes, probably all of us who hold GC licenses have a copy of GA 216-2007...... but haven't you learned yet that most licensing is simply about funding the Department?  You want pros, you watch them work, and pick the best.  Honestly, a license guarantees very little.


From: Ken Rodgers 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:33 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com 
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing


Happy New Year All,

  I was just discussing some issues/concerns with my drywall sub and in the process I asked if they had ever read or heard of the guide put out by the Gypsum Association that covers the application and finishing of sheetrock (gypsum).  Of course the answer and look I got was the same one I always get when I ask this question.  "What book?"  "There's a book that tells you how to do sheetrock work?"  So, I'm wondering why is it that subs like this are not required to read, understand, and possibly even be tested on the guidelines that cover their trade before they are "licensed" to perform work in this area?  In the case of drywall, this specifications manual is only 18 pages long so I would think that most anyone should be able to pass a simple test on it.  Yes, I realize this is only a guide and is really not a "code" per se but it does have some pretty good guide lines to go by that should help ensure a good job that will stand the test of
 time.  However, every time I bring!
  it up to my drywall subs that they get offended and act like I'm being too anal.  I only pull it out when I see them doing things like not using enough screws in the ceiling or leaving excessive (e.g. ?") gaps at joints..  The response is always the same; "I've been doing drywall for xx years and I don't need no book to tell me how to do things" or "don't worry about it, the mud will cover it up."  All these may be true but it'd be nice to see some subs actually take pride in their work and try to do the best job they can and not just get by.  I use sheetrock guys in this example but it seems to be the same with many of the other subs whose work doesn't get an official inspection and who are not required to be tested and specifically licensed in their field of work.  I'm not looking to increase the bureaucracy but it sure would be nice to figure out a way to force these other subs to become educated in their field and stay up with the latest
 practices.  I'm looking for more!
  professionals instead of just amateur hacks.



I know the above was mostly whining/venting but just thought I find out others thoughts on the subject.



Ken   





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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:22:24 EST
From: WR290 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Fw:  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
To: lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com, codetalk at myfloridacode.com
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Hi Robert:

Many area's in the state have no licensing requirements. I.E. Orlando for  
instance,  all you have to have is a occupational license, that cost  
$30.00, least that how much it was 2 years ago. 

Tom Ricci
BT Builders Inc
954-214-4448 


In a message dated 1/1/2010 4:15:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com writes:


Robert Harvey
L & H Contracting,  Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax:  1-866-254-3245


-----Original Message-----
From: "Rob Harvey / L  & H Contracting, Inc." 
<lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 2010 20:59:01 
To: Ken Rodgers<Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Subject:  Re: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

Stop hiring  unlicensed subs and you will not have this problem. I do not 
know what area  you are from but all the Tampa Bay area surrounding counties 
require you to be  a  state or county licensed drywall contractor. It is 
those that continue  to hire unlicensed subs that drive my prices down to 
compete with their  substandard workmanship. 


Robert Harvey
L & H Contracting,  Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax:  1-866-254-3245


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Rodgers"  <Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:33:50 
To:  <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Subject: [Florida Code Talk]  Sub-Contractor  Testing/Licensing

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:41:21 -0600
From: "Ken Rodgers" <Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Fw:  Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing
To: <lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com>, <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
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Robert,
  Am I missing something here??  All my subs that I hire ARE licensed.
However, for things like sheetrock, tile, etc they are not required to take
any type of test or prove any knowledge whatsoever.  The license consist of
a business license obtained at the local tax collector's office and stating
on the paperwork that they are in the business of "drywall."  I just looked
back in the CILB statutes and I don't see anything that requires a drywall
sub to be licensed via testing and a board.  

My point is that anyone can go down and get a business license and declare
themselves a XXXXX contractor.  There's nothing that requires them to have
even a basic knowledge of the task at hand.  

I'm sorry if others are hiring unlicensed subs and driving your prices down..
However, I'm not one of them.  I only hire licensed subs...no exceptions.

Ken

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[mailto:codetalk-bounces at myfloridacode.com] On Behalf Of Rob Harvey / L & H
Contracting, Inc.
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:05 PM
To: codetalk at myfloridacode.com
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Fw: Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing


Robert Harvey
L & H Contracting, Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax: 1-866-254-3245


-----Original Message-----
From: "Rob Harvey / L & H Contracting, Inc." <lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:59:01 
To: Ken Rodgers<Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Subject: Re: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

Stop hiring unlicensed subs and you will not have this problem. I do not
know what area you are from but all the Tampa Bay area surrounding counties
require you to be a  state or county licensed drywall contractor. It is
those that continue to hire unlicensed subs that drive my prices down to
compete with their substandard workmanship. 


Robert Harvey
L & H Contracting, Inc.
lhcontracting at tampabay.rr.com
352-280-0061
Fax: 1-866-254-3245


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Rodgers" <Ken at artisanbilt.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:33:50 
To: <codetalk at myfloridacode.com>
Subject: [Florida Code Talk] Sub-Contractor Testing/Licensing

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